tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post7918604229768815500..comments2023-06-09T11:15:12.948+01:00Comments on Nick Tann: Are you better than Jedward?Nick Tannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03703986706947483265noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-85332015617676170032010-08-09T08:47:01.258+01:002010-08-09T08:47:01.258+01:00I'd also extend the idea of getting paid to pl...I'd also extend the idea of getting paid to playing live. <br />As you can se here http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133033743404773&ref=tsNick Tannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703986706947483265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-43547257879884566442010-08-08T22:12:51.298+01:002010-08-08T22:12:51.298+01:00I have read that article before Rainer.
Did you ...I have read that article before Rainer. <br /><br />Did you notice that his album costs $10...Nick Tannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703986706947483265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-5521073921944726652010-08-08T21:51:53.630+01:002010-08-08T21:51:53.630+01:00Although only superficially addressing the questio...Although only superficially addressing the question under discussion here at first sight, I'd like to mention this priceless text by Danny Barnes, just rt'd by @solobasssteve<br />http://www.dannybarnes.com/blog/how-make-living-playing-musicRainer Straschillhttp://moinlabs.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-87500767542695384612010-08-08T21:03:00.856+01:002010-08-08T21:03:00.856+01:00If you love your job and make music for a hobby th...If you love your job and make music for a hobby then give it away.<br /><br />I don't and I want to make a living out of music and podcasting. To do that I need to charge for it.<br /><br />If I could make money from producing my podcasts I could spend more time and effort making them. It's as simple as that<br /><br />The fact that someone has my track on their ipod is nice. The fact that they like it so much they actually paid for it is nicer.Nick Tannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703986706947483265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-63067474693619901962010-08-08T17:54:52.304+01:002010-08-08T17:54:52.304+01:00TO be honest I'm not sure how much choice you ...TO be honest I'm not sure how much choice you have about free - my music is heavily torrented(which I am pleased about) and if you have any degree of success this will happen anyway. Better to give it away your self and engage with people surely?TFATDHQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244822804267078728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-3047516871083188092010-08-08T17:30:11.950+01:002010-08-08T17:30:11.950+01:00Another article on 'Free' that I found int...Another article on 'Free' that I found interesting:<br /><br />http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2010/08/07/free/<br /><br />I wouldn't stop people downloading my music for free - I think it's more useful having your music on someone's ipod than not. It makes sense to have a range of options ala Nine Inch Nails recent releases - some free, some not. <br /><br />Rainer has a point about who the competition are. But also peoples entertainment spend is now split between DVDs and video games and all sorts of things that weren't as important a decade ago. The market has changed.Tom Slatterhttp://www.tomslatter.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-78427316951469573822010-08-08T16:43:33.932+01:002010-08-08T16:43:33.932+01:00Interesting - I'm with Rainer on this one - yo...Interesting - I'm with Rainer on this one - you can't really compare. Jedwood are really good at being jedwood for that audience - they don't even register in my world. They are not aimed at me but the seem to make people happy.<br /><br />For me Pay What You Want works better than paywalls and sharing has been good for me. <br /><br />I think what I do has a very specialized and esoteric audience. They are very loyal and supportive. Its a small audience but I'm happy. I've kind of realized that especially considering the events in my life in the last few weeks that's a wonderful thing. Also my audience seem like bloody nice people.<br /><br />The way to look at is of all the other opportunities which my online following have opened in terms of critical acclaim from bloggers and mags which have lead to licensing opportunities(which are payed). <br /><br />None of this would have happened without "free" music. <br /><br />Hopefully in a few years we will be able to see how this will work in the long term. At the moment its tough to see the move from one business model to another. At least with the new model artists have a chance of getting payed/heard.<br /><br />The last few blogs from Steve Lawson are interesting reads on all this:<br /><br />http://www.stevelawson.net/2010/08/what%E2%80%99s-a-download-worth-part-1-the-massive-downloader/<br /><br />Makes you wonder what will be happening in 5 years time? :)TFATDHQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244822804267078728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-23315813739880620402010-08-08T13:39:41.931+01:002010-08-08T13:39:41.931+01:00Wondering whether you, Nick Tann, are better than ...Wondering whether you, Nick Tann, are better than Jedward makes as much sense as wondering whether you (or Jedward) are better than the BMW engineers in the Mini project or than designer/actress Alisha Klass. Why?<br /><br />Because one makes fancy small cars, one makes porno flics, one is a pair of twins who look like (enter your favourite three-letter f-word here), and one is a singer songwriter.<br /><br />It certainly does not make sense to ask why some people spend tens of thousands of dough on a car why they fail to pay for a singer-songwriter album, so what you need to do (if anything in that realm at all): compare yourself to those who do roughly the same AND make money doing so.<br /><br />So, I ask you, Nick, are you really better than Phil Keaggy? Than Joni Mitchell? Than Kaki King, Egberto Gismonti or even our friend Matt Stevens?<br /><br />If you can answer all of these questions with a "yes", then perhaps it's time to phrase your demands towards your customers as strongly as you do.Rainer Straschillhttp://moinlabs.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-90964160620413965222010-08-08T12:49:31.112+01:002010-08-08T12:49:31.112+01:00Thanks for your comments guys. I appreciate your i...Thanks for your comments guys. I appreciate your input.<br />Yes Tom I do accept that people will want to listen to music for free, they can but to posses it, to own it, to put it on their ipod they should pay yes?Nick Tannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703986706947483265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-8158002540504247282010-08-08T12:36:52.021+01:002010-08-08T12:36:52.021+01:00You're right Nick, you are better than Jedward...You're right Nick, you are better than Jedward. I also think it's not unreasonable for artists like ourselves to want to earn a living through our art. <br /><br />However, I also think we have to accept that people expect to hear music free. It makes sense to have your music available so that people can hear it and decide whether they like it. <br /><br />They'll only pay if they love it. <br /><br />I also think people have never paid for music exactly. Instead, I think people pay for things that symbolize their relationship with the artist. So it used to be CDs and gig tickets, now it might be downloads, gig tickets, special limited-edition LPs, one of a kind zebra-skin lyric books etc. <br /><br />So providing you have that relationship with the fans your stuff will sell. <br /><br />That anyway is how it works with the artists I love - I will download their stuff as soon as it's available, but I also buy every CD and (especially for me) concert DVD cos I'm a big fan.Tom Slatterhttp://www.tomslatter.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1140545540379794849.post-30411070055893416552010-08-08T12:19:50.099+01:002010-08-08T12:19:50.099+01:00Great blog. I think it's easy for people to fa...Great blog. I think it's easy for people to fall into the humble 'I'm not good enough' mindset, believing it's an elite of people that can do it, (an all too common myth), when in fact we need to tell ourselves 'I am good at this'. We certainly also need to charge for our work, just because music is fun, evocative & essential, doesn't mean it's easy to make. Blood sweat and tears are applied to our music, we probably work harder on music than we do our day jobs, as it's more important. I also think if people are giving away all of their work, then they are not valuing it correctly, and probably falling into that humble mindset again. As you say not everyone does it well, but kudos for trying, and until they get good people won't take too much notice. For those who are taking it more seriously i.e. understand where there are with their music, and who have people who want their music, it is only right they pay for it, a lack of label does not mean a lack of quality.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835609716751831816noreply@blogger.com